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Frequently Asked Questions
Well, What the heck are they?
The electric hub kit came about in China to utilize existing aging
bicycles as people needed to commute further and further for work.
Range??
I often get asked what kind of range I get. The large companies and
some ebay'ers will tell you that you will get 20 miles from 12AH
batteries without pedaling at all. This is just a flat out lie,
unless you weigh 60 lbs and happen to live in a vacuum. I weigh
240lbs and I get between 14-15 miles on a 12ah pack on every hub kit
out there if with wide open throttle and no pedaling.
But ,if you use the kits as they are supposed to be used "pedal
assist" is the key word here there is really no limit on the
mileage
you can get out of a pack (within reason). The other weekend my wife
and I headed out to the Santa Ana river trail and did a round trip
of 35 miles and had
juice to spare. But this is going to vary with all conditions.
Front VS Rear?
Front
wheel kits= easy to install, easy to maintain. This is
the best for balance if you are using SLA batteries on a
rear mounted rack because of the weight.
Rear wheel kits= harder to install, Installation only
for the very mechanically inclined or professional. Only enough space
for 7 rear speeds max (we ship with 5 speed). Bad
balance if you are using heavy SLA batteries... Good for
wheelies lol but bad and unsafe balance with SLA. Good
points are that they are a slightly more natural feeling
ride when using lightweight Lifepo4 batteries.
Will it fit on my bike? (updated) We have added various new
sizes to front kits. On the order page.
Read the writing on your bicycles tires. for 26" to make sure (a 26"
rim is actually about 22 1/2" if you measure across the rim, they
call it 26 because that is the overall diameter after the tire is
installed). For front wheel kits you will need a minimum of 3 3/4"
between the dropouts. For rear kits you will need minimum of 5 3/8"
between the dropouts. (side note rear kits come with a 5 speed
cluster, they are capable of accepting a 7 speed but it is a tight
squeeze.)
Why do we
use a Double Walled rim and heavy duty 12Gauge stainless steel
spokes??
In the beginning we tried various kits and many of the brushless
motors were very good motors. The problem with kits like Wilderness
energy, Golden motors, some of the Crystalytes and even some of the
Bionx is that they use a $3 Chinese made light gauge rim on
incredibly weak spokes. These will never, ever stay true, a bicycle
rim and standard light gauge spokes were not designed for this type
of torque and they will always fail over time. It is unsafe to say
the least. We spared no expense (although it was not much to simply
upgrade to something that will last a lifetime.)
Brushed VS Brushless??????????
What's the big difference? The main differences are that a brushless
motor is close to 30% more efficient than a brushed motor. This
means 30% more range/distance. The main reasons that brushless
motors are more efficient is that they are microprocessor controlled
in the same way that the magnetic levitated trains are, the
microprocessor reads where the motor is and tells the next electro
magnet to push it along. Also brushed motors lose much of their
power due to heat loss at the brushes that rub on the shaft.
Now with us in a gas crunch and to be honest I'm not a tree hugger
or anything but I see pollution in many many forms all day long and
I am really tired of it. The hub kits added on to your bike will
drive you about 1,000 miles for the same price as a gallon of gas
and not produce the gasses your car or truck puts off.
I am 38 a little out of shape and about two years ago I went to the
bike shop and bought a good mountain bike to ride around on and get
more exercise, I got it home and ride it for a week or two, then
rode it again a month later then 6 months later it was in the
garage, tires flat and dusty.
I realized that the ups and downs of hills, wind and stuff that
didn't bother me as a kid DO now. But I dearly missed riding down the
street on my bike , going on long rides, smelling the different
trees, seeing different type of terrain that you cant see from your
car. So I set out to find a solution.
I tried many different types of electric bike kits and to be honest
they were all very similar but the price from one to the next was
insane!
All of the designer brand name brushless hub motors are all
basically the same with the exception of the windings and bearings.
The windings inside the motor simply determine torque or speed, much
in the same way gears do and the only other thing was the bearings,
but the kits vary in price from $400 all the way up to $1300.
I tried them all and settled on the kits I am selling now. I hope
you enjoy them as much as I do!
Warranty??
Your kit is covered bumper for 90 days. These kits are flawless and
will last you a lifetime. What we do not cover is over voltage, we
do not cover if you spin out the axles inside of your dropouts. We
do not cover if you burn the speed controller by connecting
backwards. We are unable to be there when the kit is
installed so it is up to you to understand the high torque involved
at the dropouts and install them correctly. These kits are over designed to put up with the harshest conditions
and are completely over engineered. The motors
are tank tested and designed to be run completely submerged
while running for 6 days! I don't suggest using it as a boat motor,
but if the odd situation came around you can feel confident that it
could lol... Also these kits are capable of
running at higher voltages with no modification.
Although we will not warranty anything over 36V. At 36V it runs at
the correct and safe speed that it was meant for. Soo if you are
running at 48V and tear out your dropouts don't try and return to
me. If you are running at 72V and fry your controller, also don't
try and return to me. If for any reason you do not feel confident
about installing our kit then you should have it professionally done
as you may harm your kit, you may harm yourself.
Aluminum forks?
You cannot use aluminum forks with ANY electric hub kit. Aluminum
forks are "cast" aluminum at the dropouts and are not malleable
(they will not give) the twist force generated by the axle WILL
break them . Its a simple test. If a magnet sticks to your
forks you are ok. Steel, Chrome moly etc are malleable and can take
the stresses at the dropouts. aluminum forks are primarily cast at
the dropout points and are not malleable at all and unfortunately
will break. I learned this the hard way by ruining a set of $700
suspension forks.
Aluminum frames?
Aluminum frames are predominantly standard aluminum and not "cast"
aluminum and should be fine.
Regenerative Braking?
At best regenerative braking restores 3% (that's 3 miles for
every 100) in mild hilly areas and 5-6% in very hilly mountain
areas. But the problem is that it will ruin most batteries by
forcing too much amperage into them, also weakens the dropouts on
the bikes by twisting the axle back and forth. So at this time regen
braking is basically a gimmick and in my personal opinion it is not
worth it because it can harm a $700 Lifepo4 battery pack and work
the dropouts loose.
I though hard on this, crunched the numbers, asked every vendor,
talked to many people with regen systems and we decided against it
until a new generation of regen with a soft engage and a better
system for returning the amperage to the batteries.
Batteries!!!
Currently we are not supplying batteries as there are just too many
options. We are planning on offering a low end kit complete with SLA
batteries as a starter kit. I really did not want to do this because
90% of customers that buy a low end kit usually end up back in the
garage within 3 months. But customers continue to ask. So the reason
we are adding the low end kit is that some customers simply want to
get their feet wet at a low price and see how they like it.
There are many different options for
batteries these days. So I will make a list from high end to
standard.
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Lifepo4,
(lithium iron phosphate) this is the lightest weight and
smallest package and best battery you can get for your e-bike
kit. You can find deals on eBay for these from time to time.
Search eBay for "lifepo4 36V" you want a pack with charger and
BMS (battery management system) at 36V 10AH-20AH. These will run
you anywhere from $350-$500
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NiMH,
(nickel metal hydride) These are good lightweight batteries but
also costly the technology is a bit old bit they are still 3x as
good as Lead Acid if you can get a deal on them. Again you want
a pack with charger at 36V 10AH-20AH. The cost on these will run
from $250-$350 and again search EBay for the best deals.
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SLA (Sealed
Lead Acid) These are heavy and old technology but cheap. It is
tried and true and will get you through your first year or two
of your E-bike. The standard for e-bikes is using 3, 12V 10AH
batteries in series. These can be found again on EBay or at
local Electronics stores for $20-$30 each
For a wealth of information on e-bikes/
scooters, where they come from how they help us in our daily lives
and how they are doing an incredible job reducing Co2 emissions
please checkout this website.
http://ebikesdaily.com/
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